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High fecal coliform results
Carmine Goneconte
Posted: Friday, June 25, 2010 8:58 AM
Joined: 6/25/2010
Posts: 1


We are getting high fecal coliform results despite having good (>2 mg/l) chlorine residuals. I'd like to know the affect ammonia, nitrite and/ or nitrate has on the disinfecting ability of hypochlorite. We are not seeing a very high chlorine demand which (about 2-3 mg/l). We know that nitrite acts as a chlorine sponge and is present during partial nitrification but we don't think that is happening. Does anyone have any experience with this occurrence?


James Royer
Posted: Monday, June 28, 2010 10:59 AM
Joined: 9/21/2009
Posts: 98


My experience is that chlorine dosage and contact time are what determines disinfection. Is your dosage the same? Is the contact time (flow) the same?

 

If your effluent contains any significant organic nitrogen compounds then there are competing reactions between the organic nitrogen and chlorine making different nitrogen-chlorine compounds that are indicated as total chlorine. These different compounds vary a lot as to disinfection capabilities.

 

If your flows have increased then you might need to feed a higher clorine dose to maintain disinfection due to the reduction in contact time.


D.Mak
Posted: Monday, June 28, 2010 11:01 AM
Joined: 6/13/2010
Posts: 11


Hypo could be loosing its strength if stored to long. Hypochlorite looses strength quite papidly it has a relatively short shelf life. You may have to increase the dosage rate and or increase Blower Amps. to supply more air to supplement oxidation.


James Royer
Posted: Monday, June 28, 2010 11:07 AM
Joined: 9/21/2009
Posts: 98


You should titrate the hypo solution so that you know what your chlorine feed dosage is. Hach has a drop counr test kit that works well and is easy.


Anonymous
Posted: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 3:01 PM

Check for free chlorine. If you have 2mg/l total chlorine but no free, I would expect that there are chloramines being made. Chloramines don't disinfect as well as chlorine and show up as total chlorine.


D.Mak
Posted: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 7:29 AM
Joined: 6/13/2010
Posts: 11


There will not be a free Chlorine in the presence of Ammonia.


Gary Sain
Posted: Wednesday, August 4, 2010 8:34 AM
Joined: 4/8/2010
Posts: 9


Nitrites exhibit a high demand for chlorine, so if you're getting >2 residual chlorine, you're right, that's not going to be your problem. 

Ammonia will combine with your chlorine and show up as total residual, but not free.  The figure that I remember is that combined chlorine is about 1/80th as effective a disinfectant as free chlorine. 

 

Like other's said, if your residual is good, look at contact time--could your detention chamber be filled with sludge reducing retention time? 

You don't say anthing about your treatment system.  Any chance of contamination of your treated effluent by runoff, presence of geese at the discharge etc.?

We had an occasion at a small plant, lagoon with ave flow of 25K gpd, where we had high levels of chlorine residual 1.5 to >2.0 and were still seeing sporadic high fecals.  Traced it to geese roosting/standing at the discharge flume where we sampled.  We put a cover over the trench, problem went away.


watertech
Posted: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 12:08 AM
Joined: 7/26/2010
Posts: 8


Hello Carmine,

 

Gary is perfectly right, sometimes the accumulation of sludge at the chlorine contact chamber would produce such situation.

In our treatment plant we clean it once a month, ever since we said good bye to f. coliform spikes.